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There's a difference between criticism and hate. Hate is simply disliking something without offering how to solve the things they hate and is destructive, while criticism is offering suggestions and solutions to the issues of the game, and is considered constructive. It's important to distinguish betweent the 2 and there are people who do both things

even I own the game but I also dislike this installment I like fm7 better then this installment of FM

Multiplayer always disappoints. In pretty much every game. Wish the world was less social and everyone just played single player games

If we want devs and publishers to be accountable we have to force physical media. I understand that isn't practical, but understanding that when you ship something that you can't just instantly patch, the stakes where higher and the quality was to. At least at inital release.

I feel that because this will an ongoing game there will be improvement over time. Also they should add a sperate part to multiplayer where they allow people to host public lobbies with their own car regulations and their choice of tracks. Keep the original multiplayer too but they should just have this seperate too.

i'd never had thought that you hated the game.

Totally agree with you, The game isn't perfect, and trust me, I like the game, but it can frustrating. The physic is almost the same as Forza 7 where FH5 has a better simulation steering than FM 2023, but the car choices are really good (The LMH are just what I've been waiting for a while), but the career mode is just sad. Endurance Career really brought me back in where I want to plug my Moza R5 sim rig, there's the AI that really need a work on tire wear pit time because it is absurd. The game is enjoyable, but there's things that are frustrating, and the AI is among them.

They need to re-release forza 4

Criticism means you care about improving something you like. However, people nowadays think that critism automatically means you hate something because they're too stupid to formulate a counter argument. The main problem is, people generally are idiots -and die-hard loyal fans of any media are utter morons. "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" - Mark Twain

I wish the game would shine again i remember going to the midnight release for forza 4, the game was epic. Sadly i think those days have long gone😢

Man, Daytona sure looks weird in this game.

They say the truth hurts sooo...As for me- I very much appreciate your uploads and have been in agreement with them since Forza 6 when I first tuned in. It was a tough time for players wishes and complaints being ignored that only got worse with Forza 7. I cannot stand when youtuber is a sychophant for the developers of a game- I will go out of my way to skip their videos...(no names--no need for that). Keep up the good work Devon !

Forza multi players biggest problem is dive bombers.

The best fanatics also make the best (or worst) critics. We critique the game because we like playing it and we know that the dev's can do better. We stay because of our devotion and love of the game; we critique it for the same reasons. Keep having fun because the more you have fun, the more the haters are going to hate. Love what you do and we're here for it all. #EngagementGang

Manual w clutch on a wheel is even worse, this game basically forces you to shift slow asf even if you can shift quicker. In assetto Corsa and dirt rally 2 my clutch pedal and shifter function perfectly.

Nah youve been nothing but honest and reasonable w the critiques of this franchise. i personally appreciate you still suffering through the state of the game for us grandfather members of the community. Ive been playing since fm2 and feel like im crazy saying with every new installation going from "hey this isnt a new feature" to "oh theres even less here from last time". Legit just on the way home from work today it hit me, WE USED TO HAVE FUN GAMEMODES TO DO OTHER THAN RACING, WE HAD SOCCER FFS

It's weird how many people are so willing to just suck up whatever slop a company hands them, and then if you point out the obvious downward slope of a game series, then you're the bad guy. Also it's dry frustrating in racing and sports games, because it seems like it should be pretty easy to build on the past installments and yet they always seem to mess it up.

Wasn't expecting to see this, but I think its the sort of video that was needed considering the "Why are you playing this game if all you do is moan about it?" crowd here. It really is important for people to make that distinction between Criticism and Simply complaining just to complain (Especially when you have folks in the world who simply are farming for that low hanging hate interaction). Just because someone is criticizing something you like doesn't not automatically equate hate, its not that simple. Life has far too much subtly and nuance for us to simply limit ourselves to such a narrow minded view of "You either hate it or love it". There's layers to alot of things, its not always a simple as "Yes or no" and people need to step back from that. Just as important as giving constructive criticism is also properly taking Criticism as well. If you claim to love something or someone yet are not willing at all to point out those flaws in order to help it/them become the best they can be, do you really love it/them? Better question in-fact: Do you actually care about it/them or do you only care about YOUR attachment to it/them?

I mostly watch your videos on this game because of the criticism and seeing your points on what you'd change since I was very much the same starting on FM3 and weirdly enough also getting a PS4 for GTS. When it comes to the stans of this game I just ignore them I've gotten laods of them on Twitter just because of me sharing GT7 clips not even comparing it to FM and they get butt hurt over it. I have mocked the game at times but I do want it to succeed hopefully anywear close to how No Mans Sky did.

I agree with your video but I would offer this. People often like to watch videos discussing what they love about a game but sometimes RUclips just feed us all the people who criticize the game for all the stuff that not in it. This same thing happened with halo. I would be excited about the game and new content but RUclips just wanted to talk about how bad and broken everything was. “Desync” was the hot word but It literally never had it happen to me.

Please make a video on everything you love about Forza, it might shut a few up. There’s more things great about Forza than things utterly wrong.

As someone who played the original Forza, I understand. Turn 10 dropped the ball while telling us Biden is cogent.

I only play multiplayer tbh and the game is fine but the ever present rammers are still around

In the past, fans used to make up the majority of the crowd around a game. Nowadays, it's either stans or haters. How did we get here?

“Why do you play this game if you hate it?” Bc I hate myself

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There is a saying in France "qui aime bien châtie bien" wich means that if you like something, you'll critisize it more, its the feeling Forza Motorsport is giving to a lot of us, and the problem is that people who actually enjoys the game don't get that, because the game at its core isn't half bad, the gameplay is really enjoyable, but man did they droped the ball on everything else... I instaled it after knowing the 963 was in the game, and its paid, of all new to forza cars in the game in S to X, like 60 or so, less than 10 are free, the campain is bad, and my biggest gripe, wich isn't talked about enough, is just the logic, the IP is freakin bad in the game, like the devs know nothing about cars, GT3s are faster than ANY road going cars irl, even AMG One, yet they are on low R, the Valkyrie is way faster than F1 and LMP1 etc... And those aren't the only bad points, the game could have been good, can be good, but we'll have to wait till forza 9 to hope to have a true successor to FM4, now, almost 10 years after, FM6 is still the best of the Xbox One/Series era, and i'll add that the AI is really good in 6, FM8 AI is really bad

If you love something with a passion, but it is not perfect, you are (and must IMO) entitled to highlight the flaws. Especially if you offer solutions, the critics is for constructive feedback so it can help for improvement. It is a "Dutch" way of thinking that there is always room for improvement, and those things should be mentioned. This is how things get better over time. Why else do we need another xbox, iphone, car, you name it. In development these "critics" are necessary as the nr 1 questions always is: How can we improve? These answers derive from limitations and flaws accumulated from test and critics. If for whatever reason blind love/passion leads to hating all critics? Then that often leads to abuse... This happens in relationships, marketing, pol i tiks, ect basically everything in this world. In gaming, just look at the pre-order model from the last 10 years, bring out broken games to patch them over time. They count on the fanbase to love it so much they will accept that kind of "abuse".. And they use the critics to improve on the things most mentioned. (If the budget is still there) Love and hate can and will be used against you in any way shape and form to steer you in certain directions. It is the oldest and easiest way to "herd sheep" -> steer masses and is been used on all levels of live inc. gaming. This means blind love, (following) is more destructive then constructive critics, by definition proven in history.

I've been playing since the original forza motorsport . That was a bastard of a game it was really frustrating and hard. I don't hate this one. I really want to like it. But it seems to me the devs really don't give a shit about it. . They aren't really listening or doing anything to improve things. I'm beginning to think about giving up with it. .

People how do you expect something to get better if you don't give honest feedback of the item in question regardless if the feedback is bad or good. smh

Forza Motorsport is making a mistake in the model they are trying to make the game. In a lot of ways, Forza is trying to be console/controller friendly iRacing for all the good and ill that brings, but the community Forza has built over its last 7 outings is very different than that in taste and temperment. I think there are definite things they can look at the current simracing marketplace to take and implement, but i think doing that at the expense of a lot of the spirit the game has would be a major loss

I love the way the cars feel and also the different time of day and weather effects. They have worked wonders on the cockpit view too. Unfortunately the AI 'rubber banding' needs a lot of work though and i would never play online.

Its Most games in nutshell especially cod 😅

if AC2 is more controller friendly than anything it’ll clear all others in summer 2025

I think its sad when people go and defend all those issues. Fm was at its peak between fm2-fm4 those was really good. Fm7 was the start of the downhill. Things got even worse with fm 23, most aspects was much better in previous fm campared to fm 23, now it seems very online focused, but even then forza has nothing that can even compete With gt7 world series championchip. I have still not bought fm 23 and there is nothing to sugest i will either. The pontential is already kind of wasted when they still has not fixed the inaccurate car models, its said to be fixed but that will be in future forza title, witch means fm 23 will not be a good platform to build from

Nothing is or ever perfect I enjoy this game again I don't look for perfection if you happen to find it plz let me know

Not me

I'm one of those that couldn't get into Witcher 3. I was playing Bloodborne at the same time, and Witcher couldn't compete with that masterpiece. I tried going back to it a couple of years later, but it just felt a bit flat and played Skyrim again instead until Horizon Zero Dawn and God of War came out.

Tbh if you’ve never said “I hate this game!” you’ve never loved a game. It takes passion to love and hate. Take it from a Souls player. Any fighting game player will tell you the same.

Criticism =/= hate Constructive criticism ansolutely does not equal to hate. Putting it here for those who might want to read a shorter comment about this.

The only excuse it has , is that it's on gamepass.. not knowing how to make a racing game after 7 editions already is utterly embarrassing.. i guess Playground Games did most of the heavy lifting before, because Turn10 on it's own is baffelingly sub par

Road America is great

The Subaru is mega OP, especially in the longer races as you don’t need to pit and everyone else does.

Good video, same as when i think of watching my football team. I criticise them as they frustrate me a lot at times, when at times the solution seems obvious, but I'll always watch them and want them to win.

People act like you arent allowed to give criticism. 😂 We just hope to see FM shine again... i remember having so much fun doing stuff like open trackdays, open drift lobbies, drag racing and carsoccer.. nailing a tandem drift with a random player you met in a open lobby is so incredibly satisfying.

It is normal for people to think that you are a hater if majority of your videos are critical of the game. If you had a balance of positive and negative videos people will take your videos as objective and fair. Remember Forza is just a game it does not have to mimic real life perfectly the way you want it. Just enjoy the game for what it is, If someone asked you to translate all those things you are demanding into computer codes, you would probably spend days and give up. Give some slack to the developers for at least trying to create something that you can enjoy. Programming a game to perfection or everyone's liking is not an easy thing. As technology improves games will get better, but you will always come across as a whiny person if you are constantly making videos about the things you hate about the game instead of thing you love about the game. Just try to balance it out and maybe people might not complainnnnnnn.

Shame you missed out on peak Forza 2. The community from 2-4 was untouchable

Some people think criticize equals Hate. You can be Fan of a game and still call out the flaws. That's also the difference between Fanboy and Fan in my opinion. The Fan loves the Game, but still talks and knows about the Games flaws. While the Fanboy thinks it's by far the best and doesn't see some obvious flaws or anything that could be improved. As for myself, i'm a Gran Turismo Fan, but i have some wishes that can improve the game, especially for single Players. But i wouldn't call it the best by far. Which is something i don't do in general do anything.

Tournaments and licenses. AC/WSS or iRacing style.

The driver rating system doesn't work. There's no way I'm good enough for the rating the game has given me. This means I end up in lobbies where everyone is way faster. There needs to be some sort of tune/no tune filter for races, since there's no point me joining a lobby for a fun race just to find I should have spent 34 hours tuning my car first. The penalty system is a farce, it's little more than RNG at this point. So it ends up not being worth investing any energy in, and also not fun for casual play. The worst of both worlds. One note on your "game modes" comment though: everything you asked for is in the Horizon series. At this point Horizon is just better in every way than Motorsport.